tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11641342.post17150176731911487..comments2024-03-03T09:18:01.813+01:00Comments on Chicken Lickin´ Good: Few Steps Away From The LeftTommi Laitiohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02227211400643321469noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11641342.post-79113870931531833352008-11-15T09:49:00.000+01:002008-11-15T09:49:00.000+01:00I do believe in the right of countries to set cert...I do believe in the right of countries to set certain house rules for living but the key is making sure that also the native population lives up to them. If we demand openness and acceptance from immigrants, we need to make sure that the native people´s scorecard is clear. Societies with double standards lead easier to violent conflicts.<BR/><BR/>I think we also need different strategies to places where the immigrants are economically stronger and to places, like EU, where immigration is caused mostly by willingness to improve one´s living standards.<BR/><BR/>It might be also that we have a different definition of diversity. Every ethnicity staying in their own box is not what I call diversity, mixing and recognising differences also within the native population (and their values) is true diversity.Tommi Laitiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02227211400643321469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11641342.post-57861930652485114372008-11-10T10:37:00.000+01:002008-11-10T10:37:00.000+01:00Where did you go Tommi? I'm still waiting for your...Where did you go Tommi? I'm still waiting for your response.KGShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09743739958015568193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11641342.post-45581278589398523162008-11-02T19:54:00.000+01:002008-11-02T19:54:00.000+01:00"I recognise your point to an extent. Just being i..."I recognise your point to an extent. Just being in favour of tighter immigration does not make you xenophobic. But defending this policy position by claiming that immigration per se threatens Finnish values (without defending those Finnish values) has according to my judgement a xenophobic tendency."<BR/><BR/>Hi Tommi, glad that you agree with me that being in favor of tighter immigration, does not automatically make one a xenophobe. I am then to assume that if the imported values and value systems are indeed in conflict with that of a liberal, pluralistic and democratic host society, then you would have no problem in defending that host society's right to demand certain requirements from possible immigrants seeking entrance. Or are you such a person that believes in "open border" policies, that anyone, anywhere should be able to choose where they are to live?<BR/><BR/>"And to your second point: I see no problem in a particular ethnicity becoming a minority or a majority amongst citizens." <BR/><BR/>Does this thinking extend to 3rd world as well? For an example, European immigration to a certain region in Africa increases to such an extent that, the local culture and language of a distinct ethnicity diminishes to a shell of its former self in perhaps say, 100-200 years, and then finally extinction? Are you saying that there is not richness in diversity?<BR/><BR/>"For instance in the United States it is already calculated that in approximately 20 years non-whites will form a majority of the electorate. This, however, will not tell anything about sharing or not sharing values amongst the population. Ethnicity is not equal to values or cultural codes."<BR/><BR/>European colonialism of the Americas has been the subject of many debates, it sounds as if you agree to such a thing as long as its a peaceful one. What are you to say to the plethora of diverse and unique ethnic groups, that feel the strain of becoming increasingly extinct? Are any areas or locals or states off limits to becoming a minority in the areas they have held for a millennia as a majority? Again, are you saying that there is not richness in diversity?<BR/><BR/>What are you to say to people who wish not to be colonized?KGShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09743739958015568193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11641342.post-55676080276054742072008-11-02T18:40:00.000+01:002008-11-02T18:40:00.000+01:00I recognise your point to an extent. Just being in...I recognise your point to an extent. Just being in favour of tighter immigration does not make you xenophobic. But defending this policy position by claiming that immigration per se threatens Finnish values (without defending those Finnish values) has according to my judgement a xenophobic tendency. <BR/><BR/>And to your second point: I see no problem in a particular ethnicity becoming a minority or a majority amongst citizens. For instance in the United States it is already calculated that in approximately 20 years non-whites will form a majority of the electorate. This, however, will not tell anything about sharing or not sharing values amongst the population. Ethnicity is not equal to values or cultural codes.Tommi Laitiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02227211400643321469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11641342.post-15113030035515708002008-10-29T20:00:00.000+01:002008-10-29T20:00:00.000+01:00So correct me if I'm mistaken, you believe that so...So correct me if I'm mistaken, you believe that someone is xenophobic if they want tighter immigration?<BR/><BR/>What do you call then the opposite side of the spectrum, those that see no problem with a host ethnic society becoming a minority within their own country?KGShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09743739958015568193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11641342.post-32985045579474490832008-10-28T22:25:00.000+01:002008-10-28T22:25:00.000+01:00Well, for instance by lobbying for a tighter immig...Well, for instance by lobbying for a tighter immigration policy or Timo Soini advocating that cultural budget can only be used for supporting "Finnish culture" which he described for instance as folk dancing.Tommi Laitiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02227211400643321469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11641342.post-39298807352733990622008-10-28T15:14:00.000+01:002008-10-28T15:14:00.000+01:00Please explain what you mean by xenophobic message...Please explain what you mean by xenophobic message?KGShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09743739958015568193noreply@blogger.com